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Anthony
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| Shay wrote: |
But you just brought up culling, am I incorrect in that, Anthony?
Introducing a new variation on a topic then saying, "Nono, we're not talking about (what I just brought up), we're talking about (the overall opinion on the subject I hold!" doesn't seem quite sporting, if you'll pardon the pun. |
Hi Shay, I may have got a bit mixed-up with the link on firearms as there has been a little blurring around the edges, sorry for any confusion. Sorry Mac  |
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CelticNorth
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| Posted: Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Culling, no matter who brought the subject up, seems to get left on the side lines when discussing the humane treatment of animals. I discern that modern domestication of animals had its roots with the demise of wooly mammoth hunts, and the nessessity of having a renewable food supply that could also be herded to assist with human migrations. There are many win-win situations with numerous animal species due to human contact, so let's be sure to give those positive practices a fair hearing. |
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Anthony
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| Posted: Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| McGuffey wrote: |
| There are many win-win situations with numerous animal species due to human contact, so let's be sure to give those positive practices a fair hearing. |
Hi Mac, perhaps you'd like to start us off...  |
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Anthony
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| Posted: Thu Jan 6, 2011 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Mac's last post has reminded me of the sacrifices that animals have been called upon in times of war, without a choice. I have done a brief search on this topic and submit the following for those interested.
In the UK we now have purple poppies for animals: http://quaker-animals.co.uk/?s=wreaths&x=1&y=13
Here is a poem I found on one of these sites that I find particularly poignant:
Non Omnis Moriar (not all of me shall die)"To love unconditionally To serve unquestionably"
To trust beyond endurance.
Bear no malice, trusting, loyal and protective
They work, play, live, share, enrich, fight and die for us and with us,
asking little in return.
They are the animals.
Oh that man could live by this creed also".
Julie Taylor-Radcliffe
http://www.animalsinwar.org.uk/index.cfm?asset_id=1385
http://communities.canada.com/ottawacitizen/blogs/defencewatch/archive/2010/09/05/effort-underway-to-honour-animals-in-war-monument.aspx
http://www.margretbarker.co.uk/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4037873.stm |
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CelticNorth
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| My sense is that there are organizations which are responding to animal welfare that one can join, such as the Sierra Club and other envoirnmental groups, which have as their stated goals preservation of the envoirnment who are also dedicated to preserving wildlife habitat and clean water. Ever since the first Earth Day, there has been tremendous support for sustainable envoirnment programs to protect all our natural resources. I seem to enjoy reading more about organizations like State fish and game departments, who have on staff many credible wildlife biologists who go untoticed in their efforts. Where I live, there is a tremendous response to restore native trout populations and to enact catch and release programs, or designate specifie rivers and streams as non-fishing untill native fish populations have been restored. There are a great many many good things going on. Certainly, there are human, social and political failures at ensuring fair treatment of animals, but there are also outstanding programs which do work. Let's merely give those organizations a round of applause for a change. |
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Anthony
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| Posted: Fri Jan 7, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| McGuffey wrote: |
| Let's merely give those organizations a round of applause for a change. |
Mac many of us already do this but many choose to ignore the welfare of animals and do not speak or live in the life of John Woolman with a 'tenderness toward all creatures.' The more one advocates animal rights and welfare the more are there those who challenge it. A selective tenderness towards some creatures is not good enough. Read the history of this link to verify. |
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Anthony
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kiwihelen
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| Hunting is not a sport |
I agree Friend,
In my family there was always - you shoot/catch it, you eat it as a rule.
Sometimes killing an animal is an act of compassion, but it can get you in to trouble.
Once, I enountered a very sick hedgehog in the middle of a nice suburb in Auckland, so I put it in a box and took it to the vet to put down. Normally I would have used a tyre iron and killed it myself, but I figured that I might get the police called.
Recently, I saw a phesant which had been hit by a car and was obviously in distress, so I stopped the car, got the bird and broke its neck. I got such a mouthful from the woman who was coming along in the next car. I just told her to call the police and got back in my car.
I hate seeing animals suffer,
Helen |
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Anthony
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| Sometimes killing an animal is an act of compassion...I hate seeing animals suffer,Helen |
Thank you Helen It can be a very difficult experience to come-across an animal that is suffering and one may have to put it out of its misery. I've never been faced with such a dilemma and I'm not sure how I would cope with it. I did come across a cat that had been hit by a car and left at the side of the road as assumed dead. This may often happen when drivers consider that an animal is dead when if fact it is unconscious. This is what happen with the cat and I ended up having to drive a long way to have its suffering ended by a vet - at much expense because the vet had to be called out.
A few years ago our elderly Queen was caught on camera 'necking' an injured bird that she had found in the grounds of Balmoral Castle. There was much shock and outrage that she could do such a thing but I think it was recognised that it needed to be done - but by our Queen! This reminded us that without doubt that she is more a country girl than a townie. |
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