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[Pulpculture]

Even though the Jews are only 0.5% of the population in Britain, they have an almost total grip on the media here. The television media that they control broadcast into almost every home in Britain, all day, every day. BBC television under the Jew Alan Yentob broadcasts into almost every home all day, every day. Likewise ITV, which is controlled by Carlton Communications plc under the Jew Michael Green and by Granada plc under the Jew Steve Morrison, each of which broadcasts to regions of 26 million, half of the population, or more, all day, every day. Daytime television across the ITV network, which is broadcasted to the whole of Britain, every day, is mainly provided by Granada’s Anglia Television under the Jew Graham Creelman, while the rest of the time it is controlled by the other regions controlled by Carlton Communications plc and Granada plc. Likewise ITN, which provides the news for the ITV network every day, is controlled by the Jew Michael Green and its programmes are broadcast to the whole of Britain, while Carlton and Granada jointly own the London News Network. Channel 4 under the Jew Giovanni Treves accounts for 10% of all television viewing in Britain. Further, BSkyB controlled by the suspected Jew and obsessively Zionist Rupert Murdoch broadcasts to over 10 million subscribers and their families every day. Meanwhile, the main two production studios in Britain, including the largest one in Europe, are controlled by Pinewood-Shepperton Limited, controlled by the Jew Michael Grade. The situation is similar in radio, with all BBC radio stations controlled by the Jewess Jenny Abramsky, alone accounting for 49% of all radio listening in Britain, every day. Further, in total, over 85 million copies of Jewish controlled newspapers are sold in Britain every week, controlled by the Jewish pornographer, Richard Desmond, the suspected Jew and obsessively Zionist Rupert Murdoch, the Jew Guy Zitter, the openly Shabbat Goy and rabidly Zionist Conrad Black and “Mrs Black”, who is the Jewess Barbara Amiel.
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[Anthony]

[james]

Pulpculture, you really should be more careful about who you quote without attribution. This ferociously anti-semitic passage you quote here is from the lunatic racist Thomas Sparks, and the passage is immediately followed by the following poison:

[Shay]

[Pulpculture]

[Shay]

[Pulpculture]

I wasn't intending to post a fake apology sorry it came across like that.


I am very sorry.


I have strong feelings for the people of Palestine and in a dumb moment cut / pasted / posted something in a rush that I shouldn't. It has nasty references and is unpleasant.

I also hate offending people - it was not my intention to offend anyone. If ever I offend anyone (because it is never my intention to offend anyone) I always apologise - I'm like that. I typed the first apology as I regretted offending people as well as wishing I hadn't posted it (having re read the content). In hind sight I should have separated the two and been more sincere.

Trust me - I am sorry.

Matthew




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[michaeldavidjay]

I personally feel bad for just about everyone in that area -- the culture / cycle of revenge really needs to be broken.
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[Patrocles]

I don't think that anyone ought to feel offended by Pulpculture. (People are too quickly offended nowadays.)

First point: Most people tend to think in a tribalist way. That's a matter of fact and it's useless to shy away from it. Of course people can overcome their tribal standpoint, but most people wouldn't (and mustn't) do so completely. They would at least feel protective for their "native" people, saying: If my people has to be criticised, let others do it and let me play the part of the defender. Or they would prefer a kind of critique which doesn't touch moral points but only strategical points ("that kind of politics is not in the best interest of my people").

Second point: Therefore, the disparat impact of ethnic groups in media DOES matter. Just imagine that all Jews in the media were replaced by Arabs - do you really think, public opinion in the U.K. or the U.S. would be the same?

A third, but minor point: The Israeli government does in fact organize and pay Jews in foreign countries in order to spread governmental propaganda (the "hasbara" program). It's embarassing for other Jews who can get under suspicion erroneously, but you can't shy away from that fact, too.

Of course you can politely act as if those realities of life didn't exist. But is "politely acting as if" really the Quaker way of life?

So, as a reader, I've a legitimate interest to know who's the person behind the paper I read or the TV show I look at. One would prefer to know something about that person's identity and bias, not simply his descent (but descent may be the one and only fact one can get). And of course one would prefer not to rely on a site who is "lunatic anti-semite", but on the other hand, which other site would you recommend?

Personally, from the time the Gaza flotilla started, I've followed the site www.mondoweiss.net (which is pro-flotilla and hardly anti-semite). It's a site I would recommend in particular to Anthony and to James. To Anthony, because the question of non-violence is debated controversially, even by people who were on the "Mavi Marmara" and who notwithstanding see themselves as "active pacifists". To James, because Phil Weiss and his co-authors don't think the mainstream media (and their Jewish journalists) are as fair and balanced as James believes.

[Kiahanie]

I was in Istanbul when the IDF raided that Turkish boat. That provided a very different perspective than I received from German, Ukrainian, British or American outlets.

(Incidentally, I found very little evidence that any of the European or American media were toeing an Israeli Party Line -even Ha'aretz wasn't giving much comfort and support to the ruling coalition, and a lot of Israelis -Jew, Muslim and Christian- opposed the assault on the Mavi Marmara. Where is that purported massive control of media when the "Jewish Conspiracy" needs it?)

Matthew and Patrocles: It is easy for passionate advocacy for one "side" to slip into the demonization of the other, the denial of the opposition's humanity. That is readily seen in the selection of the patently anti-Semitic passage by the virulently racist Thomas Sparks. It is not necessary to be anti-Jewish in order to be pro-Palestinian. In fact, borrowing rants from racist crazies rather detracts from the positive points that you may want to make. (Sparks also thinks Muslim immigration to Europe is a result of the Jewish Conspiracy to pollute the White gene pool.)

I appreciate that you retracted the piece, Matthew, and I believe you are sorry. I think that whatever few thoughts of yours it may have expressed could have been expressed in ways that placed the needs of the Palestinian people in the forefront, and dealt constructively with ways to create an environment in which progress toward peace is possible.

One thing we have learned from the past is that the traditional mode of discussing Israel-Palestine (choose sides, cheer for my team and throw rocks and insults at the other side) does not bring a peaceful solution closer.

MDJ has it right when he says "I personally feel bad for just about everyone in that area -- the culture / cycle of revenge really needs to be broken." That local cycle on the ground in Israel-Palestine is only reinforced when we engage in making Israelis Agents of the Jewish Conspiracy or in making Palestinians Terrorists Against Western Culture.

I appreciate Anthony's effort to understand the viewpoint and motivations of the Israeli ruling party, to appreciate the fear that must have driven them to such an extreme action. Gazans also live in fear, and in desperate deprivation.

We cannot demand that Israelis and Palestinians embrace each other and know the story of the other as their own: too much of their blood has been spilled, too many of their lives disrupted, and we are in no moral position to make those kinds of demands. We can, however, foster an environment where the needs of both peoples are recognized and and acknowledged.

Or we can continue the polarizing rhetoric that has characterized the past 40 years of two-party monologue.
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[Kiahanie]

[james]

[McGuffey]

It should be mentioned that Egypt was also complicit in the three year embargo and blockade of Gaza, but finally opened border access for Palestinian relief. Popculture does have a valid point about the ability of Israel to organize local Jewish and Zionist support for its media defense: not a week into the event, the Israeli embassy here in Los Angeles organized a "Solidarity" rally amoung its financial donors, which is usually from the deep pockets membership of the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles. This group helps organize fund raising from Jewish groups in Los Angeles for everything from schools to ambulances for the State of Israel, this in addition to the billions sent there by the American taxpayer lobbies by the Israeli Amercian Political Action Committee James is absolutely correct about the press and media in the United States not always is favor of Israeli military tactics, exjudicial political assination of Arabs, the numerous human rights violations, the seizure of East Jerusalem or the illegal Jewish settlers on the West Bank. But I think most charges of antisemitism thrown into the debate intentionnally become a smoke screen for the racism that hides Israel's treatment of Arabs, and which appaer to guide its diplomatic and government policies. I am anti-Israeli and anti Zionist, which should not make me, or anyone else, anti Semetic or anti Jewish. The state of Isreal claims its Constistution is secular, so let it and its supporters drop the antisemitism charade game and deliver the secular goods it promised to unhold. Perhaps that is the key failure of Israel; it wants to be both secular and Jewish, when in fact it cannot be both. A democratic secular Israel seems to be a lie.

[Pulpculture]

What are peoples thoughts on David Duke? I hadn't come across him before today (I live in the UK). He has a similar message on the US side of the pond......


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[Kiahanie]