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paul la c



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 9, 2005 5:26 am    Post subject: Web Accessibility Initiative Reply with quote

I know this wont be a major priority for you Bill but this site is quite innaccessable and really could cause quite a problem for blind/ poorly sighted friends. I think you ought to take a look at few of the following pages:
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had checked it out a long time ago, and it checked out well. Clearly accessibility guidelines have changed, and furthermore Bobby does a much worse job than it used to, since it identified a huge number of apparently bogus errors (type of error identified actually not present, although for one error it was identified in almost every line) and only gives the most rudimetary classification to them. Furthermore, some things were identified as errors but the explanation shows the "errors" are actually compliant with accessibility guidelines and just not the most preferred way to do things. Some were "if" type statements applied to every line where a given characteristic occurs, although there is only a problem if manual analysis shows a particular criteria is met (like using longdesc if alt text is not adequate). However, there are some improvements I can make over time - particularly the use of table headers.

Actual examples of how people found things inaccessible would be more helpful than the Bobby reports.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actual examples of how people found things inaccessible would be more helpful than the Bobby reports.
If you look at the page in Lynx then you'll see that it wouldn't make much sense to those with screen readers. (or any other non-graphical browser)

A lot of Bobby's bogus errors are brought up by the font tags that it assumes are "portraying infomation by colour alone", and the use of tables as it takes them to be data tables rather than layout tables alhtough:
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http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html#h-11.1
Tables should not be used purely as a means to layout document content as this may present problems when rendering to non-visual media. Additionally, when used with graphics, these tables may force users to scroll horizontally to view a table designed on a system with a larger display. To minimize these problems, authors should use style sheets to control layout rather than tables.
But I suppose that's being a bit too pedantic.

If you need any help with these things then don't hesitate to ask.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The site doesn't look good in the lynx viewer, but content seemed quite readable with the exception of the few pages where content was in tables used other than for layout. The content of the home page, for example, was quite readable.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wsamuel wrote:
The site doesn't look good in the lynx viewer, but content seemed quite readable with the exception of the few pages where content was in tables used other than for layout. The content of the home page, for example, was quite readable.


I agree that it was functional in the lynx version. The navigation was right at the top, as is desirable, followed by article links and descriptions marching one after the other down the page. I'm not positive, but this strikes me as a fairly coherent presentation for a reader for the blind.

I've made some efforts in this area in a state government site, and there are many problems, even contradictions, with the federal standards. It requires educated common sense more than slavish adherence to the standards. Regarding the use of tables as layout elements--it's going to be a long time before sites begin to follow that advice, if ever. Many table-based layouts work OK on modern readers for the blind; others don't.
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