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| i dont like flying either... but, i doubt there is a search and siesure issue -- unless the sup. court is asleep as the wheel. |
I think the search and siezure issue would be probable cause. What is the probable cause in these types of explicit searches?
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| Posted: Sun Mar 7, 2010 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| Gracie wrote: |
| Whoops! the "near-porn" images are a hoax. |
Thank goodness 
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| That leaves the question whether the actual, lower-res images are still a problem. I think Kelly has that one right; for most men, they aren’t, but for some (many? most?) women they are." |
It's a 4th ammendment issue here I think. In the UK there are issues because of Child pornography laws.
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Frankly, I'm not objecting to sexualization of my body by scans, per se. But I am a female child of my culture and as much as I've worked to overcome it, I have -- as do many American women, even the very objectively beautiful -- a skewed and negative body image. It's not my sex I object to scanners showing, it's my figure, which I wear clothing precisely to disguise.
This may sound frivolous to those (often male, again due to our culture) who haven't grown up with this mindset, but I work hard, sometimes daily, to not starve myself, to not vomit, to not self-hate. And the idea of the invasion of my privacy by airport security in the way of these scans would make flying WAY too stressful.
Plus, given the current anti-fat mania in our country, I can see some senator deciding that hey, the airport scanners should hand out helpful diet pamphlets for the public good! 
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| Posted: Sun Mar 7, 2010 9:47 am Post subject: |
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I sympathize as much as a man can sympathize. I'm pretty self-conscious about my middle-aged belly. I'm partial to loose and untucked shirts, and absolutely despise doctor's appointments when I'm asked to cough, if you know what I mean. And if you don't know what I mean, I'll spare you.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 7, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Frankly, I'm not objecting to sexualization of my body by scans, per se. But I am a female child of my culture and as much as I've worked to overcome it, I have -- as do many American women, even the very objectively beautiful -- a skewed and negative body image. It's not my sex I object to scanners showing, it's my figure, which I wear clothing precisely to disguise.
This may sound frivolous to those (often male, again due to our culture) who haven't grown up with this mindset, but I work hard, sometimes daily, to not starve myself, to not vomit, to not self-hate. And the idea of the invasion of my privacy by airport security in the way of these scans would make flying WAY too stressful.
Plus, given the current anti-fat mania in our country, I can see some senator deciding that hey, the airport scanners should hand out helpful diet pamphlets for the public good! |
That's assuming that individuals with "good" figures wouldn't have an objection to being oogled at naked. I would think that most women would have issues with this for a variety of reasons. Take the Muslim women that refused to go through the scan---they may have amazing figures but object to this on religious grounds. It also doesnt appear as though they were given a different search option
Friend Gracie, as you stated, perhaps there are women who would feel more violated because they are out of shape but, that’s assuming that the only thing keeping them from baring their nakedness to the world is fat. Lets ask this another way...would you let complete male strangers sitting behind a console (non-medical) look at you nude if you where in shape? Would you allow yourself to be strip searched by a male if you had an amazing figure? I certainly wouldn't. The protective instinct I feel towards my body to prevent it from being abused by strangers is protective I think A second issue I would have would be on religious/modesty grounds and third concern for the erosion of 4th Amendment rights towards American citizens
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That's assuming that individuals with "good" figures wouldn't have an objection to being oogled at naked. I would think that most women would have issues with this for a variety of reasons. Take the Muslim women that refused to go through the scan---they may have amazing figures but object to this on religious grounds. It also doesnt appear as though they were given a different search option
Friend Gracie, as you stated, perhaps there are women who would feel more violated because they are out of shape but, that’s assuming that the only thing keeping them from baring their nakedness to the world is fat. Lets ask this another way...would you let complete male strangers sitting behind a console (non-medical) look at you nude if you where in shape? Would you allow yourself to be strip searched by a male if you had an amazing figure? I certainly wouldn't. The protective instinct I feel towards my body to prevent it from being abused by strangers is protective I think A second issue I would have would be on religious/modesty grounds and third concern for the erosion of 4th Amendment rights towards American citizens |
Speckled, I'm speaking only for myself, and trying to say that objections to scan are not purely of a sexual modesty-based nature, as some of the previous discussion seemed to focus on. And my point is precisely that this issue (BODY IMAGE) isn't just about those who are out of shape -- poor body image may occur despite one's objective appearance, not because of it. Nor am I saying this is the only objection. But it is a valid one in American culture precisely because we are so focused on women's bodies.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 7, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Gracie wrote: |
| -- poor body image may occur despite one's objective appearance, not because of it. |
Well-said! Excellent point
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| Nor am I saying this is the only objection. But it is a valid one in American culture precisely because we are so focused on women's bodies. |
Friend Gracie, I appologize but, I’m not sure I understand completely  Are you saying that mainstream America is so obsessesed with body image (as far as women) that no matter what, women will be self-conscious in relation to the body scanners? If that’s the case...even if they had a confident body image, how would this change an objection to a body scanner? Or are you saying that these types of scanners make a woman more self-conscious because people would be looking at them and perhaps judging/making fun of their bodies because of the mainstream s-x obsessed culture?
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Thanks for your patience with me
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For me I have no problem. If the person controlling the scanner can see my private bits well they're one of 5000 he'll see that day - so what?
Is there a market for foil undies that you bin when on the plane?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Pulpculture wrote: |
For me I have no problem. If the person controlling the scanner can see my private bits well they're one of 5000 he'll see that day - so what?
Is there a market for foil undies that you bin when on the plane? |
I'd be worried about what they'd find in that hair!
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It's not my real hair. It's one of those websites you merge a picture of yourself into another. Ironically I did have hair like that 20 years ago!
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| It's not my real hair. It's one of those websites you merge a picture of yourself into another. Ironically I did have hair like that 20 years ago! |
Ok....you knew this was coming....pics! Pics! Pics! Pics! Pics! 
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