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Keith Maddison
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By the way there is no w in the word the, and I think it is easier to spell than Murdoch. So don't be so pedantic, we can all do that.
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Ailsa
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Location: France
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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 Now, now, children, I am the English teacher here and it's my job to pick up on peeling errers or tiping mestooks.
By the way - you guys are amateurs - I go on one board where one dear lady types phonetically (I am sure she has severe dyslexia and have sympathy) .... it takes a bit of mental gymnastics to work out what she is trying to say before you can reply to it, Bless her.
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MettaMaid
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| As a Guardian reader I realise I really must improve my spelling |
Ah, the (in)famous Graudian! That well-known source of some of the most excellent Spleling eorrrs! I delight in its inaccuracies! 
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Anthony
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| In Britain if people were given a vote we would have the death penalty tomorrow. |
Keith, I'm not so sure. The British moan and say they want the death penalty to return but if they had to vote on it I'm not convinced they would be in favour. When asked about this they usually qualify their reply by stipulating only for the most horrendous murder and only if guilt was established without any shadow of doubt.
Although I have my moments when I serously think that it may be time to reconsider, I have always been against the death penalty for various reasons. I often think how many proponents of it would feel different if it was one of their loved ones that were to be executed, particularly if they knew or suspected innocence? We know that the death penalty is too final. Is a life sentence any 'better' option? Unlike in the USA, in the UK life in prison can mean only several years.
I think that what is not taken into consideration is that murderers are also victims, of themselves, society, culture and circumstances. Society must accept blame for those who are dysfunctional, many of whom have lived with deprivation and abuse; there but for the grace of God go us.
There is that of God in everyone and what is needed is for it to be accesses and nourished. I hope that most offenders have the potential to change, even the worse kind, and many have changed. Some exceptions may be those who have behavoural disorders, victims of incurable mental disfunction. The point is that if we execute them all it will never be known which could have been redeemed (not in a religious sense). And, of course, killing is wrong - as is the willful and calculated slaughter of any creature.  |
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kevin roberts
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| ...The point is that if we execute them all it will never be known which could have been redeemed (not in a religious sense). |
Or in a religious sense, too, Anthony. Killing someone takes on the responsibility of perhaps precluding their repentance by denying them life.
Can anyone take on that responsibility in good conscience? There's a thorny predestination question in here, but the simple view is that causing the death of another person assumes the role of God in determining their ultimate fate. |
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MettaMaid
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2003:A man who has served 12 years of a life sentence for murder has been freed after his conviction was overturned as unsafe.
Trevor Wickens, 56, from Herne Bay in Kent, was jailed at Maidstone Crown Court in 1991 for the 1986 murder of 89-year-old Mabel Crandell. |
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| Friday November 16 2007: Barry George had his conviction for murdering the television presenter Jill Dando quashed yesterday after the court of appeal concluded that fresh scientific evidence meant that there was "no certainty" that the jury at his original trial would have convicted him. The court ruled that the original verdict was unsafe. |
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May 1st 2008: A babysitter sentenced to life for the murder of her neighbour’s two-year-old son was released from prison yesterday after the Court of Appeal declared her conviction unsafe and ordered a retrial.
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If the UK had the Death Penalty for Murder, these people would be dead by now. yet their convictions were at best highly questionable.
Still think the Death penalty would be brought back in?
Not a Chance.
This is sufficient reason as to why the UK does not carry the Death Penalty.
And long (permanently) may it continue to be so.
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Keith Maddison
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Dear MeterMade, Face up to reality, you know the TRUTH, have you heard of it. I am in no saying the death penality should come back, I am only saying in poll after poll, after poll, after poll, after poll, after poll, after poll after poll after poll after poll the majority of British people would like to see the death penalty return. When I worked in factories the majority of people there wanted the death penalty returned, when I used to drink in pubs people would talk about it, saying it should come back. In my father workingmen's club they all want it back. As I said I hear in cafes, at the shops, on buses (they are the really big long cars that common people use to travel about in, you made have seen one). The people who live around me in my very nice council estate ( that is where us poor people live, you may have heard of them) say it all the time. Stop trying to say I want it back, that is being really dishonest, did you learn that from your Buddhist master? I do mix with normal working class people and not just Guardian reading Quakers. If you just mix with people who think like yourself you will never understand the world.
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Ailsa
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Keith - may I very gently suggest that you are making assumptions about a person which you are in no position to know.
You are assuming that Metta-maid would describe someone else as "common". Given that she has only been on this board a very short time and you don't know her personally, that is rather unfair.
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Keith Maddison
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Common is my word, it is or was used to decripe ordanary working class folks like me, I am pround to be a part of the common people. It is my heritage, and while do not agree with the politics of the common people like hanging, I cannot deny that is how most people feel. The truth is the majority want to bring hanging back not just for murder, but also rape, child molesting and terroists.
I wish it were not true, but it is.
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Ailsa
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That may be so Keith but the tone of your post was, in my opinion, rather rude. You are assuming that Metta Maid is not also common, does not ride on buses and does not live on a council estate. How can you possibly know this?
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Anthony
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| Or in a religious sense, too. |
Agreed, Kevin, I should and meant to say: "Not only in a religious sense."  |
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MettaMaid
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| Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Keith Maddison wrote: |
| Dear MeterMade, Face up to reality, you know the TRUTH, have you heard of it. I am in no saying the death penality should come back, I am only saying in poll after poll, after poll, after poll, after poll, after poll, after poll after poll after poll after poll the majority of British people would like to see the death penalty return. When I worked in factories the majority of people there wanted the death penalty returned, when I used to drink in pubs people would talk about it, saying it should come back. In my father workingmen's club they all want it back. As I said I hear in cafes, at the shops, on buses (they are the really big long cars that common people use to travel about in, you made have seen one). The people who live around me in my very nice council estate ( that is where us poor people live, you may have heard of them) say it all the time. Stop trying to say I want it back, that is being really dishonest, did you learn that from your Buddhist master? I do mix with normal working class people and not just Guardian reading Quakers. If you just mix with people who think like yourself you will never understand the world. |
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| Stop trying to say I want it back, that is being really dishonest, did you learn that from your Buddhist master? |
Could you actually point out to me in any post I have written where I have actually stated that YOU want the death penalty back? At no point have I ever accused you of this... It's you who is being dishonest and putting words in my mouth.... 
As to the rest of your post, it is so unbelievably rude, patronsing and insulting, I'm not even going to bother with it. Not insulting to me: I frankly couldn't care less about me. As Ailsa has very kindly pointed out - you know nothing about me. So your comments are simply based on assumption and ignorance.
I happen to not mind who I mix with. I don't confine myself to one social group to the exclusion of others. That is precisely how one develops a closed-minded, one-dimensional and blinkered outlook. This attitude of 'Us' and 'Them' is precisely what causes division. I would venture to suggest you try to spread your wings a bit and talk to a more diverse cross-section of society. You might learn that this so-called 'universal agreement of bringing back the Death Penalty' of those you are familiar with, is not widespread. In fact, it's in the minority.
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Anthony
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Common is my word, it is or was used to decripe ordanary working class folks like me, I am pround to be a part of the common people. It is my heritage, and while do not agree with the politics of the common people like hanging, I cannot deny that is how most people feel. The truth is the majority want to bring hanging back not just for murder, but also rape, child molesting and terroists.
I wish it were not true, but it is. |
Friend Keith, yes, please consider your tone.
The word 'common' can have negative connotations; as a Lancashire lad born and bred the term 'common as muck' was often used darogatively to describe someone considered even more common than oneself. I think the use of the term, 'common people' is rather condescending and still retains some of the old negative values. I much prefer 'working class', or is this archiac? |
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Keith Maddison
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| Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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It was Meter Made's post arguing why the death penalty should not come back to Britain as if I was saying it should. No body on this forum is suggesting it should. I was just pointing out in answer to another post that the majority in this country is in favour of it's return.
Anyone who travels on a bus, must hear the people talking and when there has been a murder the conversation is always about bringing back hanging, in fact you hear it everywhere. I heard it all the time when James Bulger was murdered, people saying they should hang them. The fact the guilty parties were children it not stop many people wanting to hang them.
I do not like the way many people are in Britain, but to say they are not like that is too ignore the truth. The Sun newspaper is to me a vile little rag, but many millions buy it, and they have a petition to bring back hanging, millions have signed it. If you listen to phone in on the radio, it is the same there.
I do not want to see capital punishment come back to this county, and it never will because no main stream political party will ever support such a move. I would like to capital punishment abolished all over the world as it is immoral and serves no real purpose.
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Anthony
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| MettaMaid wrote: |
| This attitude of 'Us' and 'Them' is precisely what causes division. I would venture to suggest you try to spread your wings a bit and talk to a more diverse cross-section of society. You might learn that this so-called 'universal agreement of bringing back the Death Penalty' of those you are familiar with, is not widespread. In fact, it's in the minority. |
Having checked the web on this issue it clarifies that 99% of 'tabloid readers' wish to have the death penalty reinstated. Keith, do you have statistics from those who do not subsribe to the tabloids? |
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